I would be offended if after putting
months/years into an addon to find out someone copied it and
added some extra features. See if the original addon could
accept the differing features. So far, I agree with the
reviewers and mods in this case. Besides, duplicating an addon
could be misconstrued as a digital copyright violation.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
I'm in agreement with you. I'm no add-on
developer, but I can put myself
in someone Else's shoes and see things from
that person's point of view.
If I were a developer and someone
duplicated my product, I'd consider
suing them for either plagiarism or
copyright infringement.
On 5/19/2019 9:27 PM, Carter Temm wrote:
> Before we begin, I'd like to ask for
the opinion of other list members
> on this topic. I find it rather
difficult to believe that I stand
> alone in my objections. If I do happen
to stand alone, which I find
> somewhat difficult to believe, I will
entirely drop it. But until
> then, I can't help seeing the classic
straw man fallacy and refusal to
> get to the bottom of my claims. As
much as I'd like to outright attack
> what OP is saying here, I'll stick to
the crux of the issue.
>
>> no one can restrict people in open
source community to do something.
> No one can technically restrict you,
anywhere, from doing anything.
> It's the psychological consequences
that act as our restrictions. If
> you wanted to, you could make a pull
request replacing emacs with vim.
> As was done at
https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/pull/6
> However, it wasn't merged for obvious
reasons. Nobody here has the
> ability to prevent you from throwing
whatever you wanted up on github,
> add-on or twelve year-old Tic-Tac-Toe
prototype. and that is not, and
> has never been, the intention. We here
do have the ability to
> influence what is reviewed and
therefore ends up hitting the community
> NVDA add-on site. We as a community
have the ability to influence how
> we're collectively perceived.
>
> So yeah, you are partially right. You
can do anything. You just might
> have to face the consequences here,
that being the possibility of
> exclusion from the main add-on site
while the original developer's
> product is accepted. There's also the
possible tarnishing of a
> reputation, but that's perspective.
>
>> anyway i will repeat, libraries
which are using are not written by
>> addon author and thus you can't
accent on this.
> Can you elaborate? I have an idea of
the point you might be attempting
> to communicate, but would rather hold
off until I'm sure I'm not
> firing in the wrong direction.
>
> As you have undoubtedly noticed by
now, I consider this a pretty big
> deal from an ethical standpoint thanks
to having been the target more
> times than I want to recall. It's just
plain insolence and leaves a
> bad aftertaste for the entire
community.
>
>
> On 5/19/19, Beqa Gozalishvili
<beqaprogger@...> wrote:
>> we didn't break anything.
>>
>> we wanted to do something, we did.
>> we wanted to release an addon, we
released.
>>
>> no one can restrict people in open
source community to do something.
>>
>> if you were looking at instant
translate, it was and is using google
>> translate to translate text.
>> it was released with gtranslate
and was temporarily replaced with
>> yatranslate which was then
replaced again with gtranslate.
>>
>>
>> anyway i will repeat, libraries
which are using are not written by
>> addon author and thus you can't
accent on this.
>>
>> On 5/20/19, Brian's Mail list
account via Groups.Io
>>
<bglists@...> wrote:
>>> I'd like toolbar explorer in
the core as with the announcements of copy
>>> paste etc, rather than use an
add on. I think before we all get hot under
>>> the collar at slightly inept
pR, presumably not intended to be annoying
>>> to
>>>
>>> anyone folk need to look at
features and see exactly what might be better
>>> in
>>>
>>> core.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail
to:-
>>> briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> Newsgroup monitored:
alt.comp.blind-users
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Norberto Sousa"
<nsousa2007@...>
>>> To:
<nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019
7:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda-addons]
Volume Manager v0.1
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As rui wrote, there are really
many similar addons.
>>> Just before reading this
message I was checking the addons Page and
>>> copied
>>> the following addons from Tony
Malykh to suggest to include it in just
>>> one.
>>> There are really lots of
addons what doubles the keystrokes. And some of
>>> such functionalities shoud
have been already included to NVDA core.
>>> The addons are:
>>> IndentNav
>>> BrowserNav
>>>
>>> By the way I would like to ask
if anybody is working on addon for excel.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> NSousa
>>>
>>> Em dom, 19 de mai de 2019 às
19:01, Rui Fontes
>>>
<rui.fontes@...>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> 1 - Several
functionalities have several addons...
>>>>
>>>> At least, and not
searching all addons:
>>>> List of Systray elements;
>>>> Reading/writing
emoticons/complex symbols;
>>>> Translation;
>>>> Announcemente of
copy/paste commands and so on...
>>>>
>>>> What's the point?
>>>> Include the functionality
on a package, make it differently, etc...
>>>>
>>>> What's the problem?
>>>> For me, none...
>>>> All add-ons code is open
source...
>>>> In this case, one person
took advantage of an idea and have develloped a
>>>> totally new add-on...
>>>> It is bad? No...
>>>> Could he have asked the
author of the idea if he wants to cooperate in
>>>> the add-on in a different
way? Yes, but is not mandatory...
>>>>
>>>> 2 - Children and
stepchildren
>>>> Sometimes it seems that in
this community some of us are legal children
>>>> and others are
stepchildrens or not legal children...
>>>>
>>>> Why I say this?
>>>> Remember what happened
with the add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin...
>>>> It was not approved
because the author did not want to break it in
>>>> several small add-ons...
>>>> There are any
law/directive or what else to do not allow packages of
>>>> add-ons?
>>>> If such exists, Joseph Lee
is one of the members that do not comply with
>>>> such normative...
>>>>
>>>> I have released 3
add-ons...
>>>> The first one was just
reviewed by Derek, because no one else did it...
>>>> The second, was reviewed
by Abdel, because he have wrote most part of
>>>> the code...
>>>> The third, the simplest,
no one review it so far...
>>>>
>>>> Instead of only think in
this new add-on from Beqa, please think also in
>>>> waht I have wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rui Fontes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Às 16:53 de 19/05/2019,
Joseph Lee escreveu:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Carter raised some
good questions, including a point about ethics. I
>>>> have forwarded his
concerns to other reviewers for further
>>>> consideration.
>>>> Depending on comments from
other reviewers and the community, one or
>>>> more
>>>> of the following will
happen:
>>>>> 1. The add-on may
receive further reviews, including a proper basic
>>>> review with at least one
condition to be fulfilled, which includes
>>>> hearing
>>>> from author of Sound
Manager.
>>>>> 2. The add-on may be
rejected. If rejected, it may still go through
>>>> basic review, or rejected
outright without further reviews.
>>>>> 3. The author will be
given an offlist notice, including a suggestion
>>>>> to
>>>> either apologize to the
original author and/or collaborate.
>>>>> Because of the fact
that a question of ethics was raised, which may
>>>> hinge our reputation, I
would like to request that users do NOT provide
>>>> feedback except for issues
of ethics raised by Carter for a while. Note
>>>> that this request is sent
from perspectives of an add-on reviewer, NVDA
>>>> contributor, and the list
owner/head moderator.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>>>> From:
nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <
>>>>
nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carter Temm
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19,
2019 8:38 AM
>>>>> To:
nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re:
[nvda-addons] Volume Manager v0.1
>>>>>
>>>>> >From what I've
been given thus far, feel free to provide corrections,
>>>> this really just sounds
like an attempt to steal glory. The features
>>>> referenced could easily be
contributed back to give a better product
>>>> overall, nah?
>>>>> While you didn't
technically break the law, under the default
>>>>> copyright
>>>> license seeing as nothing
else was provided on the original repo, most
>>>> people might consider this
rather unethical.
>>>>> Now there is the small
possibility that we haven't been given the
>>>>> entire
>>>> situation, so I'm curious
about the following.
>>>>> 1. Was Yannick
consulted before creation of the add-on? Furthermore,
>>>>> is
>>>> he in support of this one?
Ideas are ideas, but outright stealing them
>>>> so
>>>> close to a new release is
far from okay in my eyes. If I were the
>>>> original
>>>> dev, I would be extremely
far from pleased. Code rewrite
>>>> notwithstanding.
>>>>> 2. Is there an
explicit reason you've decided not to help Yannick out
>>>> directly, in the form of
PR's, issues or even suggestions?
>>>>>> feature which it
had is one of other features which our addon
>>>>>> includes
>>>>>> and code is
written from scratch
>>>>> This doesn't really
answer the question, nor does it provide a reason
>>>> behind deciding to sit
down and essentially copy an idea currently
>>>> undergoing review.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/19/19, Michal
Rada <michal@...> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, many thanks
for this usefull plugin.
>>>>>> Michal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Odesláno z
aplikace Pošta pro Windows 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Od: Beqa
Gozalishvili
>>>>>> Odesláno:neděle
19. května 2019 16:44
>>>>>> Komu:
nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; Doug Lee
>>>>>> Předmět: Re:
[nvda-addons] Volume Manager v0.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we included
credits in readme of an addon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> about not helping,
feature which it had is one of other features
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> our addon includes
and code is written from scratch, so nothing was
>>>>>> left from a
previous addon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/19/19, Doug
Lee <nvda@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm afraid I
may be missing some context here, so my apologies if my
>>>>>>> questions seem
a little strange, but...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beqa said:
>>>>>>>> a new
addon called VolumeManager has been released.
>>>>>>>> a big
thanks to an author of SoundManager from which idea of
>>>>>>>>
controlling volume of different applications was taken.
>>>>>>>> addon was
re-written from scratch and for this reason we decided to
>>>>>>>> release it
on our own.
>>>>>>> My email
archive credits the authorship of the SoundManager add-on
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Yannick
PLASSIARD <plassiardyannick@...>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So two
questions: Why not name the author in this email, and why
>>>>>>> rewrite rather
than helping with the original project?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, May
19, 2019 at 03:23:39PM +0400, Beqa Gozalishvili wrote:
>>>>>>> hello all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a new addon
called VolumeManager has been released.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a big thanks
to an author of SoundManager from which idea of
>>>>>>> controlling
volume of different applications was taken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> addon was
re-written from scratch and for this reason we decided to
>>>>>>> release it on
our own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> github repo is
at:
>>>>>>>
https://github.com/beqabeqa473/volumeManager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and download
link is:
>>>>>>>
https://github.com/beqabeqa473/VolumeManager/releases/download/v0.1/V
>>>>>>>
olumeManager-0.1.nvda-addon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Doug
Lee dgl@...
>>>> http://www.dlee.org
>>>>>>> Level
Access doug.lee@...
>>>>>>>
http://www.LevelAccess.com
>>>>>>> Freedom is not
the ability to have what we want. Freedom is merely
>>>>>>> the ability to
seek it. To be free defines what we can do, not what
>>>>>>> we can get.
>>>>>>> (03/28/05)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> with best regards
beqa
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Norberto Inácio de Sousa
>>> Consultor de acessibilidade
Web e digital;
>>> Formador de acessibilidade,
informática e línguas;
>>>
https://www.linkedin.com/in/norberto-in%C3%A1cio-de-sousa-a129ab4b/
>>> Tlm. 962836137
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> with best regards beqa
>>
>>
>>
>>
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